My last blog produced some of the most vulnerable discussion that I've ever been involved in while blogging. My E-mail box was flooded with responses that (rightly so) weren't exactly appropriate for a "comment". I'm still sorting through them.
The discussion sparked some additional thoughts that I'd like to share before I post my next blog in "My Journey".
The Setup:
As I mentioned in my last blog, I had some good friends who left Axis because I did something that was hurtful to them.
Bare with me as I try to be extra clear:
1. What I "did" to them was not immoral, sinful or otherwise devious. But I DID hurt them.
2. Both parties agree that what I did was inadvertent.
3. Once my offense was explained to me, I was immediately understanding and apologetic.
4. They immediately left their church responsibilities and never returned to Axis.
5. The friendship is over.
6. Personally speaking, I expect that authentic relationships will involve being getting hurt by other people. I endeavor in friendships even when I'm hurt by them because that's what I would want from them.
7. I feel like there was no grace from them and that they expected their pastor to be perfect.
I think it's situations like this that pave the way for pastors to abuse their wives, get addicted to porn, have affairs or leave their God-given calling altogether out of heart-break.
Ultimately, the situation that I described in my last blog (and summarized above) isn't about, "poor Joe" or simply feeling sorry for myself. Ultimately, it's the pressure for perfection that hurts me deepest. Also, I see the damage this does to pastors world-wide.
Let Me Explain What I Mean:
I've known countless people who have left their churches because the pastor said, "fill in the blank". If it's not something they said, then it was something that they did. I think there are literally thousands of people who will go to a different church next week because a pastor "said" or "did" something that wasn't good.
I'm not talking about the pastor saying or doing something sinful, immoral, or devious. Simply that he did something that wasn't good, great, or beneficial.
I think that things like this begin to mold a pastor into someone he never thought he'd become. I think that the majority of pastors learn quickly to be VERY concerned about who they allow to know the REAL person that they are. Pastors become guarded very quickly. Pastors learn that there are very significant consequences to the "church" when they are anything less than perfect. This pressure is enormous.
When pastors become guarded, then they isolate themselves. Isolated people always develop any one of a hundred different problems. Isolated people don't deal with the real issues that life brings our way. Isolated people are lonely people. Lonely people do desperate things.
Anger can't be dealt with in isolation and often turns into bitterness or rage. I once knew a youth pastor who went to jail (and lost his job) because he attacked his wife with a baseball bat. They both, obviously, once had manageable problems that turned into some something destructive. Most pastors won't admit when they are having marriage problems.
Why don't most pastors admit that they are having marriage problems? I think the number one reason is an unwritten expectation that they must "have it all together". I do not think that pastors put this unwritten expectation on themselves. I think you/we put that expectation on them.
I knew a pastor that had an affair.
I've heard that 20% of pastors are addicted to pornography.
I remember hearing that over 80% of pastors say that they have few or no "close personal friends". After my brief try at being a senior pastor, I can understand why. They leave you over the stupidest things.
To Reiterate:
The point of my last blog was about hearing God tell me that I can't control what other people do or don't do. I can only control my own actions and reactions. God isn't promising me a life void of close-personal upheaval.
I must fight to stay vulnerable. I must and I mean MUST resist the need to pretend. (although I do think people need to be appropriate - being honest/vulnerable doesn't mean people have a license to air dirty laundry in inappropriate places or times).
My fear is that I will never find a church that agrees with me or would want me to be their pastor.
Here's What I Think:
1. I think that you should become committed to what God is doing in your church. I don't think that your commitment should be to the pastor of your church.
2. Expect your pastor(s) to screw up.
3. If a pastor appears to be perfect, he's far from it... there's a real person in there somewhere who longs to be vulnerable... accepted just as he/she is.
4. Don't commit to your church out of some "consumer" mentality. Church isn't a PLACE. Church isn't as much a place for you to get something as much as it is a place for you participate. Don't go to church and rate the sermon, worship, and activities. When you go, participate in the sermon, worship, and activities. Do you show up, sit, stand, sing, sit stand, watch, pick up your kids and go home? That sounds lame if that's all it is. Participation might be what you're challenged to do.
5. It's hard to be overly critical of your church or your pastor if you view church as YOU. As US. If church is viewed as US rather than a place we go, then any criticism is easier to lace with love and gentleness because you're talking about yourself... about the body of Christ... about the Bride for which He's coming back.
The next blog is written and will be coming soon, "Clouds and Manna".
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 14:03 At barnes and noble. Brushing up on web design... Bidding a job on friday. #
Saturday, April 26, 2008
Recent Tweets...
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- 06:08 On our way to Eddie's T-Ball game. My brother is in town today. #
Friday, April 25, 2008
Recent Tweets...
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- 05:41 looking for work in town. sending out resumes out of town. #
Thursday, April 24, 2008
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- 14:05 Standing in long line at post ofice. So tired and sore! Trying to remain grateful for the work. #
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 09:21 So sore! I am demolishing a building today for part time work.... I'm too old for this... Or too out of shape. #
- 14:19 so sore that I can hardly move. 8 hours of tearing down a building has really kicked my butt. more of the same tomorrow. #
- 03:51 Praying for strength for another day of hard labor at low pay. #
Tuesday, April 22, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 08:34 I love mondays. Sarahs goes to work and it's just me and Eddie. We're off to empty our storage unit. #
- 13:27 At Home Depot buying work gloves... Gonna tear down a building in the morning.... Hey, they're gonna pay me. #
Monday, April 21, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 15:36 Just finished up giving piano lesson... This 5 year old is quite talented. #
- 05:32 drinking coffee. answering the tons of responses to my latest blog. and responding to questions from out-of-town churches. #
Sunday, April 20, 2008
Recent Tweets...
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- 19:36 I blogged. it's been awhile. it's not pretty. divineinthedaily.blogspot.com/ #
- 04:46 guitar's loaded in the car... i'm off to lead worship in madera. #
Saturday, April 19, 2008
My Journey Part ONE
Since the agonizing death of *Axis, I've been on a slow journey to wrestle with and understand several things.
In order to speed up the process, I recently took a trip to Chico,CA for some concentrated "away-time" in order to pray alot and listen for God's voice with fewer distractions.
Welcome to Part One of my journey!
If you're still interested, I'd advise you to grab your favorite beverage and get comfortable, because I may ignore the unwritten "keep it brief" rule for blogging. This is my Web-Log of my recent physical and spiritual journey. I'm hopeful that this will be part therapy and partly helpful to those who may take the time to read beyond the words to discover something significant for themselves.
Prologue:
Once in Chico, I turned right on Richardson Springs Road and headed down the 4 mile, bumpy, winding road creatively dubbed, "The Springs Road". It felt like I was coming home.
At the end of the road stood "The Hotel"(built in the 1920's). On this property I spent 4 years of my life mainly organizing missions trips for teenagers around the world. I met my wife here. It felt like I was coming home.
I checked into a Letter Cabin, "K" and I was certain that God would meet me here... that He'd hear my prayers and I would have the luxury of listening without the normal distractions.
PART ONE:
WRESTLING WITH SIGNIFICANT RELATIONSHIPS:
Among the many subjects to discuss with God was the subject of certain close personal relationships.
The background: While building Axis, we were determined to live out the mantra, "Come As You Are". We all talked about it at length - especially at the beginning. We knew that each of us would be tested in this area sooner or later. Together, we talked about True and Real community. The kind of community that would become vulnerable and transparent with each other. We all wanted a place that we could "loose the need to pretend". We understood that this kind of community would inevitably become "messy" as people began to be free(er) to show their true colors, confess their sins, or their struggles or pain. We didn't have to be rocket scientists to know that people aren't perfect and that at some point one of us would do something that hurt someone else, yet we were determined to take our chances. We were determined to let grace be our response.
If we could respond with God's grace toward one another, then we figured people would be more likely to "Come As You Are". We joked about having a slogan or marketing campaign titled, "17% less judgmental".
Then, one day in January, 2008 I did something that inadvertently hurt some dear friends who were also 'movers and shakers' in Axis leadership. They didn't respond with grace. They were very angry, they felt "screwed", they lost respect for me and determined that I had no integrity. They immediately withdrew from all leadership and responsibilities. They never returned to Axis.
This isn't the place to discuss specifics, but I assure you that my actions were 1) unintentional 2) clearly hurtful to my friends and 3)not immoral or sinful in any way (no cheating, lying, stealing, immorality, fornication, etc)
(even if those people read this blog, I'm certain they would agree with what I've written)
I was caught off guard and felt like I had just been hit by a truck.
Here's what I wanted to talk to God about... here's where we catch up to me in the small cabin in Chico - trying to make sense of things.
Let me say that another way: I have a hard time functioning, producing, or moving forward with real-life while there are significant relational struggles.
Confession: During deep struggles with significant relationships, I tend to be emotionally unavailable to my kids. I don't call my friends. I work long hours, just because I can't focus enough to get things done in a normal amount of time. I do less helpful things around the house. I don't blog.
The Conclusion:
I can't control what happens to me. Even if I do A, B, C, correctly I'm not guaranteed that I will get perfect results.
I was reading about Moses (something I often find myself doing in times like these). One time, Aaron and Miriam "spoke against" him about his Cushite Wife (she was from Ethiopa - a black woman?). They were jealous. (Numbers 12)
Later, 250 well known community leaders began to give Moses grief. (Numbers 16)
I'm beginning to re-understand this: Even when we do it right, like Moses was doing, there's no guarantee that our significant relationships won't cause us great grief.
I cannot control the relationships around me, but I can control my response(s).
I sub-consciously thought that if we dreamt the right dream about true and real community, then we wouldn't have relationship problems. For some odd reason, I thought that if I/we taught about Grace and Forgiveness, then people would dispense both.
"The Springs Road"
The Hotel
My Letter Cabin, "K". Yes, that's how big it is.
*AXIS: Axis Community Church. We officially started meeting publicly in October of 2006. We closed the doors in the end of February of 2008.
In order to speed up the process, I recently took a trip to Chico,CA for some concentrated "away-time" in order to pray alot and listen for God's voice with fewer distractions.
Welcome to Part One of my journey!
If you're still interested, I'd advise you to grab your favorite beverage and get comfortable, because I may ignore the unwritten "keep it brief" rule for blogging. This is my Web-Log of my recent physical and spiritual journey. I'm hopeful that this will be part therapy and partly helpful to those who may take the time to read beyond the words to discover something significant for themselves.
Prologue:
Once in Chico, I turned right on Richardson Springs Road and headed down the 4 mile, bumpy, winding road creatively dubbed, "The Springs Road". It felt like I was coming home.
At the end of the road stood "The Hotel"(built in the 1920's). On this property I spent 4 years of my life mainly organizing missions trips for teenagers around the world. I met my wife here. It felt like I was coming home.
I checked into a Letter Cabin, "K" and I was certain that God would meet me here... that He'd hear my prayers and I would have the luxury of listening without the normal distractions.
PART ONE:
WRESTLING WITH SIGNIFICANT RELATIONSHIPS:
Among the many subjects to discuss with God was the subject of certain close personal relationships.
The background: While building Axis, we were determined to live out the mantra, "Come As You Are". We all talked about it at length - especially at the beginning. We knew that each of us would be tested in this area sooner or later. Together, we talked about True and Real community. The kind of community that would become vulnerable and transparent with each other. We all wanted a place that we could "loose the need to pretend". We understood that this kind of community would inevitably become "messy" as people began to be free(er) to show their true colors, confess their sins, or their struggles or pain. We didn't have to be rocket scientists to know that people aren't perfect and that at some point one of us would do something that hurt someone else, yet we were determined to take our chances. We were determined to let grace be our response.
If we could respond with God's grace toward one another, then we figured people would be more likely to "Come As You Are". We joked about having a slogan or marketing campaign titled, "17% less judgmental".
Then, one day in January, 2008 I did something that inadvertently hurt some dear friends who were also 'movers and shakers' in Axis leadership. They didn't respond with grace. They were very angry, they felt "screwed", they lost respect for me and determined that I had no integrity. They immediately withdrew from all leadership and responsibilities. They never returned to Axis.
This isn't the place to discuss specifics, but I assure you that my actions were 1) unintentional 2) clearly hurtful to my friends and 3)not immoral or sinful in any way (no cheating, lying, stealing, immorality, fornication, etc)
(even if those people read this blog, I'm certain they would agree with what I've written)
I was caught off guard and felt like I had just been hit by a truck.
Here's what I wanted to talk to God about... here's where we catch up to me in the small cabin in Chico - trying to make sense of things.
Joe, to God: (with attitude) "What happened to "Come as you are"? What happened to Grace?"With God's help, I am beginning to recognize something about myself that I don't like. I've noticed that I often lack the internal qualities needed while struggling with significant relationships.
God: Silence
Joe, to God: Is it possible to be part of a church community that really lets people come as they are without running away once they do? Is it possible to love each other even when we screw up?
God: Silence
Joe, to God: (using a whiny tone) I thought they were committed to YOU and what YOU were doing in Fresno. Why does it seem like they were committed to ME... until I proved that I'm not perfect? Sheesh - I'm SOOO FAR from perfection! I don't even think that I'm even good, let alone perfect.
I rambled about how hurt I feel personally. I ranted about the devastating effects their departure had on Axis (as a church and organizationally). After all we were so very small already!
God: Silence... and then He helps me be honest with myself.
Let me say that another way: I have a hard time functioning, producing, or moving forward with real-life while there are significant relational struggles.
Confession: During deep struggles with significant relationships, I tend to be emotionally unavailable to my kids. I don't call my friends. I work long hours, just because I can't focus enough to get things done in a normal amount of time. I do less helpful things around the house. I don't blog.
The Conclusion:
I can't control what happens to me. Even if I do A, B, C, correctly I'm not guaranteed that I will get perfect results.
I was reading about Moses (something I often find myself doing in times like these). One time, Aaron and Miriam "spoke against" him about his Cushite Wife (she was from Ethiopa - a black woman?). They were jealous. (Numbers 12)
Later, 250 well known community leaders began to give Moses grief. (Numbers 16)
I'm beginning to re-understand this: Even when we do it right, like Moses was doing, there's no guarantee that our significant relationships won't cause us great grief.
I cannot control the relationships around me, but I can control my response(s).
I sub-consciously thought that if we dreamt the right dream about true and real community, then we wouldn't have relationship problems. For some odd reason, I thought that if I/we taught about Grace and Forgiveness, then people would dispense both.
God, to Joe: Own your own stuff, Joe. You have alot of valid questions, but don't minimize your outward reactions and your inward responses. You are the only thing you can do something about. Your response(s) is the only thing worth working on. Lean into ME.
"The Springs Road"
The Hotel
My Letter Cabin, "K". Yes, that's how big it is.
*AXIS: Axis Community Church. We officially started meeting publicly in October of 2006. We closed the doors in the end of February of 2008.
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 10:15 filed dissolution papers for axis. i supposed that's the proverbial Nail in the Coffin. feels more like a nail to the head. #
- 12:20 A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a work station..... #
- 19:32 About to watch the best show on tv. Battlestar Galactica. The twelfth will b revealed tonight! #
Friday, April 18, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 08:47 At Carl's Jr. inYuba City. Wow, can't believe that I used to live here. #
- 13:31 Made it back to Fresno. Any Jobs open up since I've been gone? It's good to be home. Worship Rehearsal tonight, then rest. #
- 15:06 @aronstrong may be interested... gotta get out the door right now... can i call you at the office tomorrow? #
- 19:30 American Idol, then bed. priorities, you know. #
Thursday, April 17, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 14:22 i leave chico in the morning... b back in time to run worship rehearsal in madera. i'd rather stay here longer. #
Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Recent Tweets...
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- 12:06 Just gave Fred Flemming and Nalva Reed a hug. #
Tuesday, April 15, 2008
Recent Tweets...
Answering the question, "What are you doing right now?"
- 21:05 Having impromtu solitude retreat... Headed to chico for prayer/seeking God time. Pray for me? In Motel 6 in Sac. now. #
- 06:45 77 miles from Chico, CA. Your prayers are welcome as I get away to seek God. #
Monday, April 14, 2008
Recent Tweets
- 08:30 Found myself at Woodward Park Bptist church this morning. I don't get many chances to choose a church to visit. #
- 16:15 just finished up piano lessons for a 5 year old. Have I mentioned how difficult AND rewarding that is? #
- 05:14 Eddie (my 3 yr. old) helped me make breakfast. #
testing again
Testing the blogger e-mail address
Joe Green
Husband, Father, Son
Axis Community Church
559.288.7643
<mailto:admin@axiscommunitychurch.com> admin@axiscommunitychurch.com
<http://www.axiscommunitychurch.com> www.axiscommunitychurch.com
Sunday, April 13, 2008
Wednesday, April 9, 2008
Flickr Now Does Videos
Yesterday Flickr unveiled a new tier to their online sharing community -- VIDEO.
This morning the functionality to actually upload those videos magically appeared
There's some limitations -- no longer than 90 seconds or 150mb and only PRO members can upload...probably to keep the files quick and easy... they seem to include all the features that a photo has (groups, sets, comments, embedding, sizes, etc).
I'm not sure what I think... the content could be more overwhelming than it already is and I don't do much video related ... or will I?
I am curious to see how this affects Flickr community -- will it become divided into videographers and photographers? Will it be like the skiers and snowboarders going down the same run?
This morning the functionality to actually upload those videos magically appeared
There's some limitations -- no longer than 90 seconds or 150mb and only PRO members can upload...probably to keep the files quick and easy... they seem to include all the features that a photo has (groups, sets, comments, embedding, sizes, etc).
I'm not sure what I think... the content could be more overwhelming than it already is and I don't do much video related ... or will I?
I am curious to see how this affects Flickr community -- will it become divided into videographers and photographers? Will it be like the skiers and snowboarders going down the same run?
Friday, April 4, 2008
Another Life Update
FAMILY:
Everyone is doing well... healthy. Eddie plays his first T-Ball game tomorrow morning. Nothing like 3 year olds with bats!
DEATH:
An old friend of mine died. Tragic. It was a result of brain swelling which was a result of a malfunctioning liver. I am going to Santa Rosa tomorrow (saturday) for the Memorial/Funeral. Jason Presley was amazing... he always lived life to the fullest. He will be missed. But I'm very glad he knew and followed Jesus.
JOB:
I still don't have a job. I will resume talks with People's Church (for College Pastor position) on Monday. I got a job offer for something non-ministry related, but $13 per hour doesn't feed the kids... so, doubt I will take it.
A Worship Pastor position is about a 90% possibility for me, but I REALLY don't want to work at that church.
I put in a resume at a Presbyterian Church today! If I ended up working there, then I will have gone from Assemblies of God to Southern Baptist to Presbyterian. I'd be a Penta-bapti-rian?!
If you're the praying type, would you mind praying about this for/with me? It's crunch time.
MOO CARDS:
I finally got my Moo Cards. I'm very excited. They're pretty cool. Check 'em out.
PHOTOGRAPHY:
I've sold a couple of prints. I've just added a few more florals to my online stores: Etsy Store and Imagekind.com.
Do you need anything/body photographed?
I just printed two portraits of my kids... I am going to do one of Josh soon and hang them all prominently in my house.
AMERICAN IDOL:
Here are my top 4 favorites (not in order): Jason Castro, David Cook, Brooke White, and Michael Johns. I am so very glad that Ramielle went home. I was about to pack her bags for her.
Who's your favorite?
Or are you one of those the "doesn't" watch the show?
MUSIC:
We just bought Lenny Kravitz latest CD.
AXIS:
Still makes me sad.
That's it for now... hope to see you soon.
Everyone is doing well... healthy. Eddie plays his first T-Ball game tomorrow morning. Nothing like 3 year olds with bats!
DEATH:
An old friend of mine died. Tragic. It was a result of brain swelling which was a result of a malfunctioning liver. I am going to Santa Rosa tomorrow (saturday) for the Memorial/Funeral. Jason Presley was amazing... he always lived life to the fullest. He will be missed. But I'm very glad he knew and followed Jesus.
JOB:
I still don't have a job. I will resume talks with People's Church (for College Pastor position) on Monday. I got a job offer for something non-ministry related, but $13 per hour doesn't feed the kids... so, doubt I will take it.
A Worship Pastor position is about a 90% possibility for me, but I REALLY don't want to work at that church.
I put in a resume at a Presbyterian Church today! If I ended up working there, then I will have gone from Assemblies of God to Southern Baptist to Presbyterian. I'd be a Penta-bapti-rian?!
If you're the praying type, would you mind praying about this for/with me? It's crunch time.
MOO CARDS:
I finally got my Moo Cards. I'm very excited. They're pretty cool. Check 'em out.
PHOTOGRAPHY:
I've sold a couple of prints. I've just added a few more florals to my online stores: Etsy Store and Imagekind.com.
Do you need anything/body photographed?
I just printed two portraits of my kids... I am going to do one of Josh soon and hang them all prominently in my house.
AMERICAN IDOL:
Here are my top 4 favorites (not in order): Jason Castro, David Cook, Brooke White, and Michael Johns. I am so very glad that Ramielle went home. I was about to pack her bags for her.
Who's your favorite?
Or are you one of those the "doesn't" watch the show?
MUSIC:
We just bought Lenny Kravitz latest CD.
AXIS:
Still makes me sad.
That's it for now... hope to see you soon.
Tuesday, April 1, 2008
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